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		<title>By: dada</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-1039</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-vaccine-activists claim to protect heir children from the harms of vaccines, but at the same time have no problem with the fact that my children are more likely to be exposed to those children&#039;s measels, rubella, chickenpox, etc. If that logic was sound, then it would also be okay to drive 40mph on the freeway, because it&#039;s safer than going 70. Who cares that it endangers everyone else??

In Africa, children are dying from diseases long eradicated in the U.S. Do anti-vaccineists really want to go back to those days? Of course not, they are happy exploiting the majority, while calling it their duty to oppose vaccines to &quot;protect&quot; their kids. 

It is ethically unjust to benefit from the same thing that one critizes as unjust. I believe an anti-vaccine argument when all those loony moms have immigrated to Needle Bad Island, where after two generations everyone has been killed by viral and bacterial diseases.

Anti-vaccine arguments are weak, unsound and irrelevant. This campaign is just another example of what a free society has to tolerate in order to remain free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-vaccine-activists claim to protect heir children from the harms of vaccines, but at the same time have no problem with the fact that my children are more likely to be exposed to those children&#8217;s measels, rubella, chickenpox, etc. If that logic was sound, then it would also be okay to drive 40mph on the freeway, because it&#8217;s safer than going 70. Who cares that it endangers everyone else??</p>
<p>In Africa, children are dying from diseases long eradicated in the U.S. Do anti-vaccineists really want to go back to those days? Of course not, they are happy exploiting the majority, while calling it their duty to oppose vaccines to &#8220;protect&#8221; their kids. </p>
<p>It is ethically unjust to benefit from the same thing that one critizes as unjust. I believe an anti-vaccine argument when all those loony moms have immigrated to Needle Bad Island, where after two generations everyone has been killed by viral and bacterial diseases.</p>
<p>Anti-vaccine arguments are weak, unsound and irrelevant. This campaign is just another example of what a free society has to tolerate in order to remain free.</p>
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		<title>By: HCN</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-237</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan said &quot;Would you be willing to ask for x number of micrograms of thimerisol or any other additive injected into your body for the next 18 months at regular intervals?&quot;

That amount of thimerosal would be exactly 0.00 micrograms (see http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm ... see the column that is mostly zeros?).  Is that a problem?  Unless you have been living in a cave for the past five years you would know that pediatric vaccines no longer have thimerosal.  Some vaccines have never had thimerosal.  Ms. Jenny likes to blame the MMR, which has been used in the USA since 1971 and has never had thimerosal.

I do go in for my adult vaccines like for tetanus (I am a gardener).  That one shot has more thimerosal than all of the pediatric vaccines combined.  So in a sense I have completed your challenge.  And so has any thinking adult who keeps their vaccines up to date.

Now, here is a thought... how about you go and tell us what real scientific research (not hypotheses!) shows that the DTaP is riskier than pertussis (which still kills about a dozen babies a year in the USA), tetanus (which has about a 10% fatality rate, and since it is soil born, there is not herd immunity for it), and diphtheria (which is a horrible disease that came back in the countries that used to be part of the USSR after it broke up and vaccine program were interrupted).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan said &#8220;Would you be willing to ask for x number of micrograms of thimerisol or any other additive injected into your body for the next 18 months at regular intervals?&#8221;</p>
<p>That amount of thimerosal would be exactly 0.00 micrograms (see <a href="http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm</a> &#8230; see the column that is mostly zeros?).  Is that a problem?  Unless you have been living in a cave for the past five years you would know that pediatric vaccines no longer have thimerosal.  Some vaccines have never had thimerosal.  Ms. Jenny likes to blame the MMR, which has been used in the USA since 1971 and has never had thimerosal.</p>
<p>I do go in for my adult vaccines like for tetanus (I am a gardener).  That one shot has more thimerosal than all of the pediatric vaccines combined.  So in a sense I have completed your challenge.  And so has any thinking adult who keeps their vaccines up to date.</p>
<p>Now, here is a thought&#8230; how about you go and tell us what real scientific research (not hypotheses!) shows that the DTaP is riskier than pertussis (which still kills about a dozen babies a year in the USA), tetanus (which has about a 10% fatality rate, and since it is soil born, there is not herd immunity for it), and diphtheria (which is a horrible disease that came back in the countries that used to be part of the USSR after it broke up and vaccine program were interrupted).</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Peet, my new favorite celebrity! &#171; Virginia Hughes</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Peet, my new favorite celebrity! &#171; Virginia Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amanda Peet, my new favorite&#160;celebrity!   Published July 17, 2008   Uncategorized       Finally, a celebrity has spoken to counter all that Jenny McCarthy crap! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-201</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who tout that our current vaccine schedule is safe, I want you to stand up, walk to your nearest pediatrician&#039;s office and tell him/her you would like the equivalent of what babies receive in vaccines (based on your weight - not the weight of a small child). Would you be willing to ask for x number of micrograms of thimerisol or any other additive injected into your body for the next 18 months at regular intervals?  If you&#039;re not willing to do this, then I suggest you close your mouth and walk away!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who tout that our current vaccine schedule is safe, I want you to stand up, walk to your nearest pediatrician&#8217;s office and tell him/her you would like the equivalent of what babies receive in vaccines (based on your weight &#8211; not the weight of a small child). Would you be willing to ask for x number of micrograms of thimerisol or any other additive injected into your body for the next 18 months at regular intervals?  If you&#8217;re not willing to do this, then I suggest you close your mouth and walk away!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Rowe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously do not have your facts straight. You are one of the people who blindly chooses to put faith in a system that has failed you. We all did the same thing, and look at our children. Unless your life has been touched by an autistic child (something unheard of 20 years ago) you will never truly understand.
Open your heart and your mind and realize that we are NOT ANTI-VACCINE.
I hate to say this, but like you wished rain on us, I hope autism strikes you and your family. Chances are, that will happen if the vaccines are not cleaned up.

Good luck to you......&quot;autism&quot; russian roulette is waiting for you.

J. Rowe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously do not have your facts straight. You are one of the people who blindly chooses to put faith in a system that has failed you. We all did the same thing, and look at our children. Unless your life has been touched by an autistic child (something unheard of 20 years ago) you will never truly understand.<br />
Open your heart and your mind and realize that we are NOT ANTI-VACCINE.<br />
I hate to say this, but like you wished rain on us, I hope autism strikes you and your family. Chances are, that will happen if the vaccines are not cleaned up.</p>
<p>Good luck to you&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;autism&#8221; russian roulette is waiting for you.</p>
<p>J. Rowe</p>
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		<title>By: mom2Gibson</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-199</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you would have only heard what was said at the rally yesterday. We don&#039;t want anyone else to join our club. We were there not only to speak up for what has been done but to keep it from effecting other children as well. We were not their to ask for repayment for our misery and loss of our children to this horrible thing called Autism. So I am sorry if you think that is all we are about because you are wrong. I just hope it doesn&#039;t take someone that is huge in the CDC and FDC to lose their child to autism before things start to be shaken up. We want history to be made and that autism would be that history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you would have only heard what was said at the rally yesterday. We don&#8217;t want anyone else to join our club. We were there not only to speak up for what has been done but to keep it from effecting other children as well. We were not their to ask for repayment for our misery and loss of our children to this horrible thing called Autism. So I am sorry if you think that is all we are about because you are wrong. I just hope it doesn&#8217;t take someone that is huge in the CDC and FDC to lose their child to autism before things start to be shaken up. We want history to be made and that autism would be that history.</p>
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		<title>By: MomFightingASD</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-198</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how you used the term 60 per 10,000 do you think that makes it look different.  It is 1 in 150 if you take out girls autism affects 1 in 94 boys and it is rising rapidly it is an epidemic caused by our government the CDC and all the drug companies who want to bleed us dry.  Look at the facts I had a beautiful robust laughing fun loving son who was sweet and caring never cried yelled our screamed then we went for his two year checkup he received at vaccines and got sick fever earaches coughing and our lives changed forever now he is in his world and has regained speech but he still spind and flaps head bangs and tantrums.  My daughter started with that after her 3 month visit again vaccines were given and she wouldn&#039;t even breastfeed anymore she runs away and screams hits and bites.  All of you with children with other needs have you experienced what it feels like when you are told to find another school for your child.  when you are asked not to bring them to church.  I have and it sucks and it could have been prevented I hate the CDC and FDA for what they have done to my children and to my family.  I want safe vaccines I am not anti vaccine but if you want to continue to inject your children with all these chemicals and poisons tissue from aborted babies and such go for it but when it happens to you all I can say is I told you so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you used the term 60 per 10,000 do you think that makes it look different.  It is 1 in 150 if you take out girls autism affects 1 in 94 boys and it is rising rapidly it is an epidemic caused by our government the CDC and all the drug companies who want to bleed us dry.  Look at the facts I had a beautiful robust laughing fun loving son who was sweet and caring never cried yelled our screamed then we went for his two year checkup he received at vaccines and got sick fever earaches coughing and our lives changed forever now he is in his world and has regained speech but he still spind and flaps head bangs and tantrums.  My daughter started with that after her 3 month visit again vaccines were given and she wouldn&#8217;t even breastfeed anymore she runs away and screams hits and bites.  All of you with children with other needs have you experienced what it feels like when you are told to find another school for your child.  when you are asked not to bring them to church.  I have and it sucks and it could have been prevented I hate the CDC and FDA for what they have done to my children and to my family.  I want safe vaccines I am not anti vaccine but if you want to continue to inject your children with all these chemicals and poisons tissue from aborted babies and such go for it but when it happens to you all I can say is I told you so</p>
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		<title>By: Mama2unvaxedson's</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so sad that people are still so narrow minded. I am a well educated person with son&#039;s who have not been vaccinated as they are not safe. There is ingredients in vaccines that are commen sense things that cant be good for your body . I would rather take the risk of my son&#039;s getting something that can be cured then getting asd and never living a normeal life again .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so sad that people are still so narrow minded. I am a well educated person with son&#8217;s who have not been vaccinated as they are not safe. There is ingredients in vaccines that are commen sense things that cant be good for your body . I would rather take the risk of my son&#8217;s getting something that can be cured then getting asd and never living a normeal life again .</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://virginiahughes.com/2008/06/03/docs-fight-back-against-jenny/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you say these things.  How many drugs have been recalled because someone did not do extensive research on the effects of these drugs.  The same with food FDA is supposed to inspect and make sure our food is safe for us but how many times do we here of food being recalled because someone did not do their job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you say these things.  How many drugs have been recalled because someone did not do extensive research on the effects of these drugs.  The same with food FDA is supposed to inspect and make sure our food is safe for us but how many times do we here of food being recalled because someone did not do their job</p>
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		<title>By: morganlefay</title>
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		<dc:creator>morganlefay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCN
I have to say I was suprised and continue to be suprised by the vitriol that is spouted from many people in the scientific community regarding this issue.  

I have read some of your blogs, you seem like a well educated gal, I read your article on regressive autism, and while I did find it interesting, I wanted to point out someting that it didnt cover - kids like my son.

and HCN I am sorry to hear that your child has serious health issues.  There is nothing worse to a parent than having a sick child and constantly worrying about their future.  

and to be clear... before June 25 2005 I didnt believe much of this either.  

at 18 months old, my son was playing with other children, had more words than children 1 year older than him, was so empathetic that his day care told us they were shocked how he would go over and try to comfort other children that were sad saying they had never seen anything like this, he had original speech, pointed, smiled, fantastic eye contact, and was actually teaching other children in his daycare how to sign for certain things (milk and eat).  Then he had his dpt/chicken pox shots.  He got a horrible fever, was covered with oozing open sores, and started to have episodes where he would shake, lips turn blue and his hands would turn purple and he would get deathly pale. We have medical records to document the numerous calls and dr. appointments we went to saying our son has been acting different since his vaccination, more agressive, zoning out, losing language, more babbling, his daycare commented on it as well.  He started getting sick ALL the time, the &quot;episodes&quot; got worse and worse.  The school called me to say they though his hearing my have been affected after his illness as he stopped responding to them consistenly.  By 22 months we were contacted by the daycare who 4 months before told us how amazing his language and social skills were - they recommended we get him evaluated by the state as they were concerned about his marked regression after his illness.  He was diagnosed as dev. delayed and then with autism.

After speaking to my pediatriton and going over the reaction my son had, as well as medical records, and family history (What we discovered is that my family has a history of vaccine sensitivity.  My brother didnt walk for 4 days after his polio vaccine at age 2, my mother in law is allergic (yes allergic and I do know it is rare but it is documented) to tetnus shots) and before and after photos - I was adviced by my pediatrition and GOT A NOTE that we should not vaccinate our son any more as she believed he had an allergy to vaccines.  

Does that make me a criminal?  Are you advising me even after my child&#039;s dr. said that if we vaccinate my child again - his reactions could be much more severe, seizures possibly death...I should keep going so the herd immunity can keep going?  My childs death would be acceptable to you?

I marched yesterday because I KNOW that the dpt/chicken pox caused my son&#039;s autism due to a genetic predisposition in my family - that there should be testing for genetic predisposition of vaccine allergies.   

I marched so no other parent has to watch their child be ill for over a month, covered in sores, screaming in pain the middle of the night writhing in their arms due to a vaccine they had an allergy to.  No child should have to indure that.

I marched because I think vaccines should be spaced out.  We survived on getting 10 vaccinations when we grew up. Then we added in all these other vaccines.  And no one stopped to think to test if it was a good idea to put 2 or 3 or 5 jabs of 5 different viruses and/or bacteria into a child at the same time.  there is NO testing on that, no one knows if that does cause any kind of reaction.  

What we do know is that autism rates are rising rapidly every single day.

The studies on both sides of this equation and yes I do go to pub med and read them - could be and have been debunked siting faulty science on both sides of this equation.  

It is time to stop fighting and to get a real study together.  A study that isnt funded by Pfizer, or Johnson &amp; Johnson - and on a much larger scale that what has been done. 

Autism is getting worse and worse, I march so that 20 years from now, there will be no need to because autism will be gone.

Im not going to even entertain that I can sway you on your beliefs, you know what you know and obviously that is all you will ever consider...BUT, I do hope, that you will take a second and realize that regressive autism does exist, its not kids who had a few words, and didnt really socialize that much.  

I had a vibrant loveing, giggly, wordy, sassy, happy boy.  Who was into everything and loved his family and friends, pointed and chatted so much that we used to say &quot;Its daddy and mommys turn&quot;.
Then he was gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCN<br />
I have to say I was suprised and continue to be suprised by the vitriol that is spouted from many people in the scientific community regarding this issue.  </p>
<p>I have read some of your blogs, you seem like a well educated gal, I read your article on regressive autism, and while I did find it interesting, I wanted to point out someting that it didnt cover &#8211; kids like my son.</p>
<p>and HCN I am sorry to hear that your child has serious health issues.  There is nothing worse to a parent than having a sick child and constantly worrying about their future.  </p>
<p>and to be clear&#8230; before June 25 2005 I didnt believe much of this either.  </p>
<p>at 18 months old, my son was playing with other children, had more words than children 1 year older than him, was so empathetic that his day care told us they were shocked how he would go over and try to comfort other children that were sad saying they had never seen anything like this, he had original speech, pointed, smiled, fantastic eye contact, and was actually teaching other children in his daycare how to sign for certain things (milk and eat).  Then he had his dpt/chicken pox shots.  He got a horrible fever, was covered with oozing open sores, and started to have episodes where he would shake, lips turn blue and his hands would turn purple and he would get deathly pale. We have medical records to document the numerous calls and dr. appointments we went to saying our son has been acting different since his vaccination, more agressive, zoning out, losing language, more babbling, his daycare commented on it as well.  He started getting sick ALL the time, the &#8220;episodes&#8221; got worse and worse.  The school called me to say they though his hearing my have been affected after his illness as he stopped responding to them consistenly.  By 22 months we were contacted by the daycare who 4 months before told us how amazing his language and social skills were &#8211; they recommended we get him evaluated by the state as they were concerned about his marked regression after his illness.  He was diagnosed as dev. delayed and then with autism.</p>
<p>After speaking to my pediatriton and going over the reaction my son had, as well as medical records, and family history (What we discovered is that my family has a history of vaccine sensitivity.  My brother didnt walk for 4 days after his polio vaccine at age 2, my mother in law is allergic (yes allergic and I do know it is rare but it is documented) to tetnus shots) and before and after photos &#8211; I was adviced by my pediatrition and GOT A NOTE that we should not vaccinate our son any more as she believed he had an allergy to vaccines.  </p>
<p>Does that make me a criminal?  Are you advising me even after my child&#8217;s dr. said that if we vaccinate my child again &#8211; his reactions could be much more severe, seizures possibly death&#8230;I should keep going so the herd immunity can keep going?  My childs death would be acceptable to you?</p>
<p>I marched yesterday because I KNOW that the dpt/chicken pox caused my son&#8217;s autism due to a genetic predisposition in my family &#8211; that there should be testing for genetic predisposition of vaccine allergies.   </p>
<p>I marched so no other parent has to watch their child be ill for over a month, covered in sores, screaming in pain the middle of the night writhing in their arms due to a vaccine they had an allergy to.  No child should have to indure that.</p>
<p>I marched because I think vaccines should be spaced out.  We survived on getting 10 vaccinations when we grew up. Then we added in all these other vaccines.  And no one stopped to think to test if it was a good idea to put 2 or 3 or 5 jabs of 5 different viruses and/or bacteria into a child at the same time.  there is NO testing on that, no one knows if that does cause any kind of reaction.  </p>
<p>What we do know is that autism rates are rising rapidly every single day.</p>
<p>The studies on both sides of this equation and yes I do go to pub med and read them &#8211; could be and have been debunked siting faulty science on both sides of this equation.  </p>
<p>It is time to stop fighting and to get a real study together.  A study that isnt funded by Pfizer, or Johnson &amp; Johnson &#8211; and on a much larger scale that what has been done. </p>
<p>Autism is getting worse and worse, I march so that 20 years from now, there will be no need to because autism will be gone.</p>
<p>Im not going to even entertain that I can sway you on your beliefs, you know what you know and obviously that is all you will ever consider&#8230;BUT, I do hope, that you will take a second and realize that regressive autism does exist, its not kids who had a few words, and didnt really socialize that much.  </p>
<p>I had a vibrant loveing, giggly, wordy, sassy, happy boy.  Who was into everything and loved his family and friends, pointed and chatted so much that we used to say &#8220;Its daddy and mommys turn&#8221;.<br />
Then he was gone.</p>
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